you plan to head to the city council. we plan to head to the white house. so they really did not have a plan "b." as for the gop, well, neither did they. they didn't expect that this president was going to come out with as strong of a proposal as he did. they thought first term obama was going to show up again, and clearly that wasn't true. you know, the plan that they presented today just isn't serious. it isn't serious if we say you're not going to raise the rates on the top wage earners. it's not serious if it says you're going to make significant cuts and try to tie entitlements to this so-called fiscal cliff which isn't a cliff at all. just like mitt romney wasn't a serious candidate, this is not a serious plan. >> karen, the president's plan includes talk not just of taxes, but also extended unemployment insurance. there doesn't seem to be any thought in the gop plan. did the gop just literally wake up today and think, right, i know, let's get erskine bowles' recommendation to the super committee and throw it out there. >> i think it's worse than that